对话张韵雯：洗脑 wash brain

采访：Elena 伍星
被采访：张韵雯 （Handkerchief Production 手帕创意工作室）手帕工作室是一间创意公司，总部设在纽约和香港，致力于多媒体艺术实验。主要以策划新的想法与意见，思想，行动设计方案和最先进的技术探索领域。由实验艺术家张韵雯及的录像艺术家Erkka Nissinen共同创办；手帕工作室是一个创意品牌，艺术，设计，时装, 多媒体及时尚领
域的大熔炉。

Handkerchief Production is a creative studio based in New York and Hong Kong dedicated to interdisciplinary experiments in art and design. We hatch new ideas to explore unchartered territories with observations, thoughts, actions, design solutions and state-of-the-art -technological applications. Founded by visual artist Amy Cheung and video artist Erkka Nissinen. Handkerchief Production is a melting pot of creativity, in the fields of fashion, branding, communication, art, design, multimedia & fashion.

ID：您是如何理解自然与不自然？What are you think about Natural and Un-Natural?

手帕工作室：对于我来说，问题关键在于学习，自然学习和人为学习。它是人类追求自然的一种形
式，本能地探索未知的领域，或一个社会契约，联合国人类自然的协议编纂的一种形式。所以，每
个社会成员的行动的职责或执行都乖乖地在法律范围内， 可能会产生更大的共同利益吗？

For me, my question is about learning, natural learning and artificial learning. Is it a form of natural human quest, aninstinct to explore uncharted territories, or a social contract, an UN -natural human agreement as a form of codification soeach member of society would act obediently within law, duties or execute order that could generate bigger common good?

ID： 您做过许多的艺术创作，您觉得这次“不自然2”与之前的艺术创作有什么不同之处？
You had done a lot of artistic creation,what’s different between Un-natural and it?

手帕工作室：我已经做了很多的个人项目，并且与我非常尊敬的Andrew Choi 和 Maureen Hung一 起工作对于我来说，这是一个伟大的荣誉，我们的讨论和提出的问题，批评和贡献在许多方面都使 概念得到加强....

I have done lots of solo project before, and this is a great honor for me to work with my 2 very esteemed colleagues,Andrew Choi and Maureen Hung, our discussion and their questions, critiques and contributions have strengthened theconcepts in many ways....

ID： 能否与我们谈谈您在52届威尼斯双年展上的“烈石霜天”的作品？
Would you like to talk about your Devil’s Advocate in the 52nd Venice Biennale?

手帕工作室：在威尼斯，魔鬼代言人：一首歌曲和一个景观（第一部分），2007年，观众可以去一 大的制冷单元（-15C的温度下）里面，在黑暗中和一个高大的六臂摩天轮慢慢地在几乎不可见的速 度转向亲密接触，两端是发光的玻璃球，和一个囚禁的结冰老人。作为一个观众，你被关在无声的 冰箱里面几乎冻死。一些人投诉危险。如果这个锁打破了吗？昏昏欲睡的老人在做什么？他们为什 么在这里？究竟是什么原因呢？我们在哪里？车轮转动永远吗？如果是停电了吗？我们在来世？这 些都是一些问题。我想观众在威尼斯似乎有更多的体验。他们赞赏工作的感觉，喜欢投身于自己的 创作情形，并得到富有想象力的回应。

In Venice, for Devil’s Advocate: A Song and a Landscape (Part 1), 2007, the audience can go inside the darkness of a big refrigeration unit (with a temperature of -15C) They had a close encounter with a tall six-arm ferris wheel turning ever slowly at an almost invisibly slow speed and with a glowing glass-ball at each end imprisoning an icy, sleeping elderly person. As a viewer, you were shut inside the om of an absolute soundless fridge, almost freezing to death. For some, they complained of the feeling of danger. What if the lock broke? What were the sleepy old folks doing? Why were they here to begin with? What were they? Where are we? Will the wheels turn eternally? What if there is a power cut? Were we all in afterlife? These were some of the questions. I think audience in Venice seemed be more experiential. They appreciated the sensation of the work, and liked to involve themselves in their own creative terrain and responded imaginatively.

ID： 能否透露一点您这次“不自然2”的创作方向？
Would you like to share your creative direction of 'Un-natural two"?

手帕工作室：我们想使用人造石制作出”人脑“。（现实的）自然状态下的大脑像豆腐一样软，不自 然的大脑是人造石，如石头一样坚硬。 大脑被安置在一个玻璃盒子里，悬浮在中间有一个漏水天花板，充斥着黑色的墨水，逐渐大脑被染 成黑色，而参观人员只需要花费1美元就能清洗大脑。在这种情况下，钱是激活”脑洗涤“的最终清洗 剂。你同意吗？或者你想保持你很想清洗被染成不可理喻的黑脑，这只是我们初步想法。

My project intends to use artificial stone to craft out a "human brain"(as realistic as possible)The natural stats of brain is like tofu-soft,and the Un-natural brain is from artificial stone....how contrasty. This brain should be placed inside a glass box(suspended in the middle) There should be an leaking ceiling flooded with black ink,gradually dyeing the brain in black, meanwhile,audience can pay $1 to activate the watering host to wash the brain literally.In this case,money is ultimate cleaning agent that activates an individual blast of "brain-wash".Do you agree?Or would you like to keep ypur hands dry and clean and experience seeing this brain dyed into an incomprehensible darkness?

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